alejocard escribió: Pensé que para este caso iba ser un poco más sangrón...
Alejandro
Bandini escribió:Entre pitos y flautas, McLaren, todo un "top team", tan sólo ha ganado un mundial de constructores en los últimos 15 años.
Muy poco, ¿no?
No se cómo Mercedes no hace lo posible por "dar la boleta" a Ron Dennis, a la vista de la escasez de títulos y el más grave escándalo de la historia de la F1 salpicándoles...
Saludos.
Tony Casta escribió:Ah!!! No olvides que el escándalo lo armó alguien que salió de Ferrari.
Tony Casta escribió:
Por otro lado ahora resulta que Ferrari siempre corrió legalmente ja ja aja.
Que pasó con el PISO MOVIL? (En éste año)Ah!!! No olvides que el escándalo lo armó alguien que salió de Ferrari.
Nigel Stepney “La persona que filtró información está dentro de Ferrari”.
Paris, 13 September 2007 33
Nigel TOZZI
Do you agree with me that nothing is infinitely rigid?
Patrick LOWE
I don’t know, Mr President, whether we want to explore the finer details of Article 3.15 today. It is
a very complex topic; Charlie Whiting is very familiar with it.
Nigel TOZZI
Do you agree with me that nothing is infinitely rigid?
Patrick LOWE
I do agree, hence there are refinements to this in Article 3.17.
Nigel TOZZI
Exactly. The way the rigidity is tested.
Patrick LOWE
But –
Nigel TOZZI
Follow my questions, please!
Ian MILL
My witness is in the middle of an answer. My friend will wait for him to finish.
Nigel TOZZI
I will not be told by my friend what to do, but I am happy to let the witness finish.
Patrick LOWE
Article 3.15 is a very complex and old regulation. The refinements in Article 3.17 do not offer an
exclusion, but rather practical guidance on some aspects of 3.15, as Charlie Whiting knows.
Nigel TOZZI
The test for rigidity is that provided for in 3.17-4, namely that the bodywork may deflect no more
than 5 mm vertically, when a 500-Newton load is applied vertically to it, at a point which lies on
the car centre line and 380 mm rearward of front-wheel centre line. That was the test, was it not?
Patrick LOWE
The test in 3.17 does not absolve one of full responsibility under 3.15.
Nigel TOZZI
That was the test, was it not?
Patrick LOWE
It is not an exclusive test, as to your compliance with 3.15.
Nigel TOZZI
That was the test, was it not?
Patrick LOWE
I have already answered that.
Nigel TOZZI
No, you have not. The answer is “yes”, Mr Lowe, because I just read it from the regulation.
Patrick LOWE
That is your answer.
Nigel TOZZI
No, I read it from the regulation. And if you comply with the test, you are deemed to comply with
3.15.
Patrick LOWE
We could spend all day on Article 3.15, with all due respect.
Max MOSLEY
Could I intervene? The situation is as follows. Mr Tozzi means that it is completely wrong to
describe Ferrari’s system in Australia as illegal; it is one that passed the test as it then existed. You
then quite rightly challenged this, and Charlie issued a reinterpretation of the test.
Patrick LOWE
I think the issue is being blurred again by Ferrari. There were two stages to the clarification from
the FIA. In the first, it was said that “you will remove illegal devices”. An illegal device is a
mechanism with pivots, springs, and degrees of freedom that allows one to cynically exploit the
behaviour required in 3.17, in contravention of 3.15. There was a further later clarification that
changed the understanding for the test. Those are two separate issues. That is clear in my
statements.
Max MOSLEY
I do not think that anyone on the World Council would seriously consider that the Ferrari device
was illegal at the time, any more than the Renault mass damper before it was eliminated.
Nigel TOZZI
I am very grateful for that. It was important that this be clear, as these proceedings are apparently
going to be made public. McLaren has repeatedly asserted, wrongly, that the Ferrari car was
illegal, and it is appropriate that the world knows that it was not.
Patrick LOWE
I find that an extraordinary positioned: that something should be only illegal when it is clarified to
be so.
Nigel TOZZI
Mr Lowe may find that extraordinary. You have said what you have said, so it is on the record.
Mr Lowe, what about the interesting question about the McLaren car? You tell us, in Paragraph
26, that when the testing was changed for the Spanish Grand Prix, the concept of McLaren’s front
floor attachment remained unchanged. Did the detail remain unchanged, Mr Lowe?
Patrick LOWE
The stiffness required by the test was increased.
Nigel TOZZI
You were using buckling stay, were you not?
Patrick LOWE
You clearly have not read my statement.
Nigel TOZZI
Oh, I have read it.
Patrick LOWE
That means you do not believe my statement, where I say that we did not use a buckling stay.
Nigel TOZZI
I have a series of photos – a very interesting series of photos – of your car, which show buckling
stay, Mr Lowe.
Patrick LOWE
That is what you assume to be a buckling stay, but you fail to understand the behaviour it has.
Max MOSLEY
Can you help us, because I do not understand and perhaps others do not. If it is not a buckling stay,
what is the proper description.
Patrick LOWE
It is a pre-buckled stay. It is already in the buckling mode before the start.
Buckling implies that it is stiff initially, then buckles. This means it would be very rigid at the
start, then very soft, which would cynically exploit the behaviours in Article 3.17.
Nigel TOZZI
Your suggestion is that nothing on the pre-buckled stay was changed following the change of test
by the FIA.
Patrick LOWE
I did not say that nothing was changed; I said that the concept remained the same. The
characteristics were changed, because the stiffness requirement in 3.17 were changed.
Nigel TOZZI
Exactly. When I asked whether the detail had changed, I thought you said no.
Patrick LOWE
I said yes.
Nigel TOZZI
In other words, when the rule changed, it was not only Ferrari that had to change its car; McLaren
did too.
Patrick LOWE
We changed the detail, as I stated a minute ago, but we did not change the concept.
Nigel TOZZI
It is the pot calling the kettle black.
Patrick LOWE
Those are your own words, and I think you know how you arrived at them.
clayrega escribió:No copio todo el texto, pero anterior a lo que acabo de pegar, se puede leer como Mosley le dice a los de Mclaren, que el fondo plano de Ferrari no era ilegal ( dado que pasó todos los test sin nigún problema), de la misma manera que no lo fue el Mass Damber de Renault del año pasado.
clayrega escribió:Usan un sistema llamado pre-buckling. que "abrocha" el fondo para pasar el test y que luego se va aflojando poco a poco. Vease:
Patrick LOWE
It is a pre-buckled stay. It is already in the buckling mode before the start.
Buckling implies that it is stiff initially, then buckles. This means it would be very rigid at the
start, then very soft, which would cynically exploit the behaviours in Article 3.17.
a_tifoosi escribió:Tony Casta escribió:Ah!!! No olvides que el escándalo lo armó alguien que salió de Ferrari.
Claro, cierto. No entiendo por qué la Scuderia no ha sido multada o, mejor aún, descalificada del mundial. Es una vergüenza.
Total, la salida de toda esta información no hacía más que favorecer a los de Maranello. Y los "polvos blancos" en el combustible que tenía que viajar a Montecarlo, ¡no era más que una forma de dopaje!´
¡Ferrari fuera!
¿Contento?
Saludos Narcís,
Fuente: http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/6525/617/5 de Octubre. Ron Dennis: "Incluso en circunstancias muy, muy difíciles nunca favoreceremos, nunca hemos favorecido y no estamos favoreciendo a ningún piloto en este momento. Es una lucha abierta"
Fuente: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 617378.ece9 de Octubre. Ron Dennis: "El problema era la lluvia y los neumáticos de Hamilton estaban en las peores condiciones. Pero no estábamos para nada preocupados por Kimi. No estábamos compitiendo con Kimi, básicamente estábamos compitiendo con Fernando"
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